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Post by jj on Jan 6, 2016 19:26:29 GMT -5
Hello All,
I have just acquired a RT frame and a Honda Magna 1100 engine (yes, some power there) and am in the process of installing the engine and the rear swing arm for the rear tire. In the process I am thinking ahead as to how I need to modify this beast for a floor clutch and to have capability for reverse.
My basic questions are:
1.) Are there any kits out there for motorcycle clutch to floorboard clutch? If so, where? If not, I would appreciate any advice as to how to go about doing it myself.
2.) Are there any kits out there for adding "reverse" capability to my RT? If so, where? If not, I would appreciate any advice on how to go about doing it. I have seen a site that offers a "reverse kit" for Harleys (http://www.motortrike.com/trikereverse.aspx), but haven't seen any other that cater to Honda.
I'm sure I will have many7 other questions in the course of getting this Trike going, but for now, any advice on the above items would help me in my beginning planning.
Thanks
JJ
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Post by 2rike on Jan 7, 2016 15:03:46 GMT -5
Hello JJ
What type of clutch arrangement have you got on the Honda is it cable or hydraulic? There are quite a few pedal box arrangements you can buy of the self that are suitable for hydraulic clutches. cable ones are quite easy to fabricate from scratch if you are handy with the tools
The biggest problem with our type of vehicles is usually space in the footwell.
I will let somebody else answer your other questions as I have no experience with the reverse gear mechanism.
Please share any photos you have of your trike it's easier to give better advice if we can see what your trying to do
2rike
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Post by jj on Jan 9, 2016 22:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by 2rike on Jan 20, 2016 17:48:18 GMT -5
Here is a link to a uk firm that sell a pedal box for hydraulic clutch and brakes www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/pedal-boxThere are lots manufactures of this type of pedal box lt will save a bit of fabrication time if you have room in your foot well to accommodate one! |
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Post by srx660 on Jan 26, 2016 11:19:41 GMT -5
On the reverse problem on a trike you really have only a few choices. Buy a expensive good reverse gearbox and spend more for the installation. Build your own from a car transmission torque converter flywheel and starter motor, then adapt it(similar bought one below). Or build a starter motor with a gokart tire adapted to the end with a swing plate mounted to frame and able to contact the rear tire tread firmly. This would need a strong pedal and rod assembly to hold the tires hard enough against the tire to move the trike. It can be done, BUT not a good choice(i've seen it done). Roadster cycles gearbox www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzvNpv_J0A4Get the Voyager flywheel type kit for about the same price. www.mtcvoyager.com/motorcycle-trike-kit-reverse/You might be able to find the people who build this gearbox, but i couldn't find them on short notice in the last hour of looking on the net. The Butler electric reverse gearbox www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVKHRPOp-2QAnd here's a earlier thread i did here in the forums. reversetrike.proboards.com/thread/270/reverse-gearboxesSRX660 |
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Post by noahkatz on Feb 3, 2016 17:44:41 GMT -5
On the reverse problem on a trike you really have only a few choices. Never say only  Another way is to use a starter motor, preferably with reduction drive with a sprocket on it. The motor swings to engage the sprocket to the chain. Control the motor speed with a high current control from ebay. Oops, shaft drive. So instead, put a small tire on the starter and have the assembly swing to makes contact with the rear tire for friction drive. |
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Post by jj on Jan 4, 2017 9:20:21 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the input, it helped a lot. Sorry for the late response but I've been sidelined with other work related stuff. I've decided to go with the starter motor option with a gearbox on it. Now I am trying to understand how to attach the throttle cable (s) from the motorcycle engine to a single pedal. The challenge is that the motorcycle engine has two throttle cables to the handle and I am not sure how that should be linked to the pedal because it seems that the two cables have a back-and-forth travel at the "handle" of the motorcycle that will not exist at a single floor gas pedal. Any thoughts?
Thanks
JJ
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Post by Liteway on Jan 4, 2017 10:14:27 GMT -5
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Post by 2rike on Jan 4, 2017 10:23:59 GMT -5
With The throttle cable just because the bike has effectively got a push pull with the two cables when you set your trike up just use the one cable that pulls the throttle open
it can be pulled with a car accelerator pedal or home made pedal with similar fulcrum point and if you put a adjuster nut on the outer cable you can take up the slack in the cable.
Tips:
I always use an extra spring on the carburetor end so you can be confident it will always shut off.
Put travel stops on the accelerator pedal so that when the pedal is full on ,the cable is not trying to pull the carburetor of its mount its better to hit the stop on the pedal with 98% carburetor opening than brake the carburetor castings or lever mechanism. Dont forget it had hand pressure as a bike, now it has your foot on it thats a lot more pressure
I Use push bike brake inner and outer cables( If you require a longer length use a tandem rear cable) to make my set ups for the 2rike its easy to use its got a barrel or pear drop nipple as standard and there is very little Friction, low cost and easy to get
The bike carburetors cable travel tends not to be as great as a car so when you look at the mount for the cable it tends to be lower down the accelerator near the pivot point to give you the feel and travel of car pedal.
Hope that helps
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Post by joe on Jan 4, 2017 22:50:34 GMT -5
My Honda Silverwing drive-train on my trike is automatic (no Chain) so I used a Harbor freight winch motor attached to a rubber roller that mechanically engages with the rear tire via. shifter, cable & linkage. The shifter locks in place similar to an emergency brake to eliminate slippage. A momentary electrical SPST push button on the end of the shifter handle sends power to the winch motor as needed. You can review my posts to see pictures of both the individual components and the fully assembled working reverse, good luck!
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Post by noahkatz on Jan 9, 2017 17:52:56 GMT -5
Since last posting a saw a nice reverse solution for shaft drive.
The guy attached (welding/machining involved) a ring gear on the drive shaft which is engaged when the starter pinion solenoid is activated.
The smaller the ring gear the better, so I'd use a starter w/built in reduction.
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Post by srx660 on Feb 25, 2017 8:52:49 GMT -5
Since the last time i was on this thread, i have been trying to fix my problem of too high gearing of the kaw 900 shaft engine(105 hp) for a 1100 lb trike(target weight). With the engine in a makeshift frame and jumbled together auto chassis parts i am already slipping the trans to start from a dead stop. So now i am thinking about using a FWD automobile trans in front of the rear suspension, and adapt it to the rear wheel either by shaft adapters or by using chains and sprockets from the output shaft to the rear wheel. I don't particularly like chains, because of necessary constant replacements, but cost and engineering may force it. With a second trans in line i can use the best ratio kaw gear to go to the auto trans and use the automobile trans normally and reverse is built in. I doubt a automatic trans would work, but you may be able to use one. That's if the cycle engine gear would be able to take the punishment.
What i really want to use is a subaru boxer engine and FWD assembly and have the best of everything, as i have always wanted my trike to be FWD.I like the idea of 200 hp and 1100 lbs. Learning as i go here. May stick the kaw engine in my go cart, HAHA(if i don't kill myself). Never had a 130 mph go kart.
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Post by DaveJ98092 on Feb 25, 2017 13:19:33 GMT -5
If you want front wheel drive, take a shaft drive bike engine and mount it backwards in the rear and mount a Subaru rear end flipped upside down in the front driving the two front wheels. The Subaru rear end has a cover that can be flipped over for filler location. You will need to over fill it some, I plan on drilling a vent port and run a hose up higher with a Fuel filter in the end to keep dust from entering. With light weight and 120 horse power it should be OK for a long time.
I plan on doing this with my Goldwing 1100 engine. I will also do the HarborFrieght 2500 Lb winch mod for reverse. It is on sale this week with coupon for $49.99
I plan on using FWD 2000'ish Dodge Stratus front hubs and double A arms, Stratus driveshafts cut down to use just the outter part for the hub, Subaru driveshafts cut down for the inner part to fit the Subaru rear end and weld them together and have them rebalanced.
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Post by mtntech on Mar 2, 2017 21:43:28 GMT -5
If you want front wheel drive, take a shaft drive bike engine and mount it backwards in the rear and mount a Subaru rear end flipped upside down in the front driving the two front wheels. The Subaru rear end has a cover that can be flipped over for filler location. You will need to over fill it some, I plan on drilling a vent port and run a hose up higher with a Fuel filter in the end to keep dust from entering. With light weight and 120 horse power it should be OK for a long time. I plan on doing this with my Goldwing 1100 engine. I will also do the HarborFrieght 2500 Lb winch mod for reverse. It is on sale this week with coupon for $49.99 I plan on using FWD 2000'ish Dodge Stratus front hubs and double A arms, Stratus driveshafts cut down to use just the outter part for the hub, Subaru driveshafts cut down for the inner part to fit the Subaru rear end and weld them together and have them rebalanced. Do you have a chassis yet? |
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Post by DaveJ98092 on Mar 2, 2017 22:59:44 GMT -5
No I do not have a chassis yet. I do have some parts in the garage for a build and I have three motorcycles I could use for a rear wheel pusher. I have the Goldwing 1100 that I think I could use for the front wheel drive build like the one above.
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Post by mtntech on Mar 2, 2017 23:18:32 GMT -5
No I do not have a chassis yet. I do have some parts in the garage for a build and I have three motorcycles I could use for a rear wheel pusher. I have the Goldwing 1100 that I think I could use for the front wheel drive build like the one above. May have something. PM me. |
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Post by noahkatz on Mar 9, 2017 16:45:35 GMT -5
Since the last time i was on this thread, i have been trying to fix my problem of too high gearing... Have you checked to see if there were different ratios offered for the Kaw 900? |
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